JC Political Thread - For All Things Political Part 2

[the_boozer]

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...labor-eyes-marginal-seat-20181030-p50ctn.html
How much money did this steal from those that could least afford it again?
The country is full of it. The bigger bullshit story the more tossers like it.
Wait and see what happens with the Delburn Wind Farm more mouth moving and nothing more is all that will happen.

 

[OldBomb]

How much did Morrison's french sub backflip cost us - $5.5 billion?

 

[Reaper]

We kept hearing through the media of dangerous Dan. At the time I thought next election he must surely go. After the election how could such a dangerous man not only get re-elected but increase his majority? Perhaps Sabbath or Reaper could explain.

In short, collectively Victorians are just plain stupid.
There is no doubt he leads a corrupt government that started before they were even elected in 2014. Little has changed right up to today. In his mind, damning IBAC reports are merely 'educational' reading that we can all learn from.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...mier-daniel-andrews-office-ibac-investigation
https://www.afr.com/politics/corruption-experts-condemn-andrews-over-ibac-report-20230420-p5d21l

Again, on hold due to a Fed review is my understanding. So not in the states control?


One of the "nothing" things you mentioned earlier. I could list them all, but you, I and everyone else would likely get bored.
If we took your comments at face value, you'd think Dan had just been building gold statues of himself around Vic.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...st-to-delay-airport-rail-20230419-p5d1pp.html

 

[Sandman]

37% of the vote means the election was won with 63% of the voter base not voting from them. I'd also argue the majority of the public is far too dense to understand how prefferential voting works as well. But if you want pointless projects, how about the suburban rail link. The most expensive state project ever seen and doesn't even have a business case.

I'm all for infrastructure, providing it does what its meant to , and is generally on time, budget, or atleast some of those criteria...... Though Vic doesn't have a great track record with any of those....

 

[Derekthetree]

In short, collectively Victorians are just plain stupid.
There is no doubt he leads a corrupt government that started before they were even elected in 2014. Little has changed right up to today. In his mind, damning IBAC reports are merely 'educational' reading that we can all learn from.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...mier-daniel-andrews-office-ibac-investigation
https://www.afr.com/politics/corruption-experts-condemn-andrews-over-ibac-report-20230420-p5d21l



https://www.theage.com.au/national/...st-to-delay-airport-rail-20230419-p5d1pp.html

All those damning IBAC findings, unlike those fine upstanding representatives up in Wagga

Gladys Berejiklian Calls for Commonwealth Games to Be Held in Wagga — The Shovel

"It's the perfect place for a multi-disciplinary international sporting event"

theshovel.com.au

Age is subs only, so you'll have to copy the "journalism" here for us.

This unpaywalled story suggests that its been put on hold by state due to fed review

Melbourne Airport rail link on hold pending federal review of major projects

The $A 13bn project is on hold as the federal government undertakes a 90-day review of the $A 120bn Infrastructure Investment Programme (IIP).

www.railjournal.com

37% of the vote means the election was won with 63% of the voter base not voting from them. I'd also argue the majority of the public is far too dense to understand how prefferential voting works as well.

But if Libs only got 30%, then 70% didn't want them? Which is a bigger number right? Plus the whole point of preferential voting is that >37% voted Lab ahead of the Libs.

If you mean preferential voting is inclined to lower chance of a conservative leaning candidate to get in, which is why UK right wing has resisted it for ever, you're right.

But if you want pointless projects, how about the suburban rail link. The most expensive state project ever seen and doesn't even have a business case.

Business and Investment Case

Read about the Suburban Rail Loop Business and Investment Case

bigbuild.vic.gov.au

 

[Derekthetree]

Since it's not actually possible to take a picture of something that hasn't been built, you are wrong in your assumption. Again.

Since my original response was to Reapers $40M per day, which I'm sure isn't just for cancelled projects, I'm sure why I need to post images of u the cancelled ones, surely built ones are fine too.

And then while making that list you could annotate next to it the budgeted amount, the cost over run and also when the project was meant to be completed. Maybe you'd like to start with the Westgate Tunnel?

As always you are conflating overrun, overbudget projects to be an ALP (or even a just a public sector ) only problem.

Sydney Metro overrun -

NSW government launches Sydney Metro review amid $21bn cost blowout

Independent review of train project will examine delivery models, governance and passenger impacts

www.theguardian.com

HS2 overspend

Cost of Euston HS2 terminus could race past £4.8bn estimate, MPs say

Overspend blamed on government indecision, despite eight years spent planning and designing project

www.theguardian.com

Crossrail overrun and overspend

Crossrail delayed again until 2022 and another £450m over budget

Holdup only partly down to pause in construction because of Covid-19, TfL says

www.theguardian.com

I get it, you don't like Dan or ALP politics (socialism boo), but the biased media nonsense that gets repeated here under the guise of facts is ridiculous.

 

[hademall]

Since my original response was to Reapers $40M per day, which I'm sure isn't just for cancelled projects, I'm sure why I need to post images of u the cancelled ones, surely built ones are fine too.

As always you are conflating overrun, overbudget projects to be an ALP (or even a just a public sector ) only problem.

Sydney Metro overrun -

http://[URL]https://www.theguardian...es-sydney-metro-review-amid-21bn-cost-blowout

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HS2 overspend

http://[URL]https://www.theguardian...-could-race-past-4-point-8bn-estimate-mps-say

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Crossrail overrun and overspend

http://[URL]https://www.theguardian...022-and-another-450m-over-budget-tfl-covid-19

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I get it, you don't like Dan or ALP politics (socialism boo), but the biased media nonsense that gets repeated here under the guise of facts is ridiculous.

Wow! That’s what I call dedication to the party!

 

[Sabbath']

Since my original response was to Reapers $40M per day, which I'm sure isn't just for cancelled projects, I'm sure why I need to post images of u the cancelled ones, surely built ones are fine too.

Your point was that they are providing a public service. My statement, and follow up question to you was what benefits do we get from the billions of dollars spent to cancel contracts?

As always you are conflating overrun, overbudget projects to be an ALP (or even a just a public sector ) only problem.

I'm not conflating anything.

If we really want to start with an "as always" you've decided to try and deflect from talking about, criticism of or acceptance of behaviour by the Victorian ALP and bring NSW into this.


We are talking about the ALP in Victoria. A conversation brought on by their inability to manage the costing of the Commonwealth Games and the economic and political fallout surrounding that.

Feel free to whinge about NSW all you like but in regards to the current topic whatever happens in NSW has no bearing on outcome.

nonsense that gets repeated here under the guise of facts is ridiculous.

Nonsense that gets spewed by this government and its supporters only to be proven as false is far more ridiculous.

-Unlike what you insinuated and Andrews claimed, Victoria didn't step in as some white knight to host the games. This government actively pursued them.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/common...s/news-story/8f3cc6c012d1221e6c636334dfb9dced

-They ignored a report from 2019 that said the games shouldn't be held until the 2034

https://www.skynews.com.au/australi...d/news-story/da5cce51bd6b026256d74bfbe7f1a10b


-They went to the budget and parroted in parliament the $2.6bn figure knowing months prior the figure wasn't anywhere near accurate

https://www.watoday.com.au/national...0-p5dpx7.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

Feel free to answer, explain or excuse any of this. Or more to form ignore it or blabber about penguins.

 

[OldBomb]

Victoria cancelling the redundant Commonwealth Games didn't even make the BBC News. It sure as hell wasn't the 'front page international embarrassment' conservatives at sky were predicting. As it stands, they can't even find a city host it. Personally I think this will be its death knell

 

[Immortality]

Somewhere in the MSM world I did see a story about finding the Commonwealth Games a permanent home. This sounds like a great idea, as the costs are much more controlled, one big spend up front to set it all up and then only ongoing running costs for future games and maybe (this is me speculating) attending countries sharing those costs instead of host nations spending billions each 4 years.