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Oh dear Greta takes the spotlight again

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I correct my self at a different point of the sun as the axis rotates, so this is climate change, lol, no its just a cycle . Not out of orbit.
 

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I find that you need to ignore the extremists, the Greta's of this world. The funny thing is, she's not a poor girl, I believe she comes from a well off family, she got a bee in her bonnet about this subject and now she's become the mouth piece for all the extremists because 16yo girls are good for the news cycles where good old Al Gore isn't.

Yes Immortality but I believe we are experiencing a lot of scare mongering. I agree the planet is warming and we are possibly partly to blame. However does the evidence really confirm that this change is happening as fast as climate advocates claim? Its still fairly new in comparison to other things that concerned the population over the last 40 - 50 years. I am no expert but have looked at some other scientific articles that suggest yes the planet is warming but at a significantly slower rate than we are told about in the media.
As for food running out the evidence suggests that right now we are able to produce more food than ever before. Plus the predictions are that food supply will able to increase even more and not actually run out as some would lead us to believe.

Yep, we can burn down more of the rain forests to grow food, the burning is progressing well in the Amazon as we speak. No, food supply is a real issue as is clean drinking water. The chinese love our NZ milk products as much as they like our clean water which they export from here in huge quantities.

Well, typical that some one has doubts (note, that doesn't mean a denier, it means I have issues I haven't been convinced of yet) gets a gobful from someone who is convinced.

I said I didn't think Australia was the best place to assess climate change. That was purely because we are already a nation of extreme weather patterns. Are we REALLY the best place to determine rising temperatures, compared to countries which don't experience extremes as the norm? At no time did I say it wasn't getting warmer, I said the climate is undergoing change. Is that too hard to understand? Clearly, it was.

Oceans rising? Bullshit. If the oceans are rising and inundating low lying island groups, why aren't our tides showing the same increases? Why aren't our low lying coastal suburbs also threatened with inundation? It's the same ocean, after all, or does it only rise where it can suit the argument? That one argument is the most specious used by climate change exponents. The leaders of various Pacific nations used that excuse to persuade us to gift them half a billion dollars to fight climate change. If they're going under, how will they use the money - by building bloody big walls around their islands to keep the water out?
Yes, our climate is changing, but the paranoia that has gripped so many, to the point that we now have a climate emergency, is the area of greatest difference between people like yourself and those like me who accept change is occurring, but not at the speed claimed.

Rising sea levels is a real threat over here in NZ, erosion around coastal towns and low lying areas is very real.

I do agree though that charging a tax isn't going to solve the problem.
 

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I find that you need to ignore the extremists, the Greta's of this world. The funny thing is, she's not a poor girl, I believe she comes from a well off family, she got a bee in her bonnet about this subject and now she's become the mouth piece for all the extremists because 16yo girls are good for the news cycles where good old Al Gore isn't.
I think the same tactics have been used in the past to gain the public backing (see Hitler). Also anyone who disagrees and argues with a 16 year making her "feel" bad will always be judged harshly.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/us-commentator-slammed-after-comparing-greta-thunberg-to-nazi-propaganda
 

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Yup, here too although the current government is making it harder for offshore corporations etc to buy anything what it deemed of significance which includes large tracts of farmland. There is a lot of opposition here to outsiders buying the rights to our water but it's a thorny issue as the locals claim it as theirs and theirs alone so the government is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to dealing with the issue of ownership of water in NZ and in the mean time a lot of it is going overseas for the cost of a permit and no actual cost per litre.
 

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I correct my self at a different point of the sun as the axis rotates, so this is climate change, lol, no its just a cycle . Not out of orbit.

Does the sun go around the earth, or vice versa ? Why is the moon the same size as the sun ? If the moon comes out at night, how come we can see it during the day ?
Answers.... climate change x 3.
 

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Yup, here too although the current government is making it harder for offshore corporations etc to buy anything what it deemed of significance which includes large tracts of farmland. There is a lot of opposition here to outsiders buying the rights to our water but it's a thorny issue as the locals claim it as theirs and theirs alone so the government is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to dealing with the issue of ownership of water in NZ and in the mean time a lot of it is going overseas for the cost of a permit and no actual cost per litre.
I’m actually ok with offshore investors being prohibited in buying large chunks of NZ
 

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Me too. National is far to much in the pocket of China and fairly much will sell them whatever they like.
 

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I’m actually ok with offshore investors being prohibited in buying large chunks of NZ
Trouble with that is they end up buying up half of Tasmania.
 

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You're welcome :)
 
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